[T2] Headlight problems

[Bob Pratt]

The LEDs are just used on the headlights.

Bob Pratt

> On Nov 7, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Pat Spragge/RFAN <Pat.Spragge at rfan.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Was bob using LEDs in his marker lights or just headlamps?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Billiumboy <billiumboy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> LED lights do need polarity.
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Pat Spragge/RFAN <Pat.Spragge at rfan.com>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On second thought it really wouldn't matter since a lamp isn't
>>> unidirectional.
>>> The power comes from the fuse via the gray wire to the driver side and
> the
>>> 2nd gray wire goes to the passenger side. The black with white goes to
> the
>>> turn lever as does the black with green. The circuits are open until
> the
>>> lever is pulled left or right.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Pat Spragge/RFAN <Pat.Spragge at rfan.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bob, as long as the gray wire(s) 2 on driver side and 1 on passenger,
> I
>>> believe, goes to the same connection/location on both markers, driver
> and
>>> passenger, it should be ok. Preferably, the gray wire likely goes to
> the
>>> solder spot of the lamp and the black with white (driver side)goes to
> the
>>> lamp base. On the passenger side the wire is black with green?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Bob Pratt <ka1dza at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I dropped the fuse box down to look at the numbers n the relays for
>>> Jamie. I have that meter that is suppose to find shorts in the wiring.
> It
>>> points to the driver's front signal/marker.
>>>>> 
>>>>> According to the schematic, the gray wire goes from connection #58 on
>>> both front markers to the first fuse in the fuse box. There is no
> number on
>>> the light housing. How do I figure out where that connection is?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob Pratt
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Pat Spragge/RFAN <Pat.Spragge at rfan.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "I had trouble with the turn signals and 4 way flashers when I first
>>> got the vehicle as they were blowing fuses. I somehow fixed the problem
> and
>>> didn't have any other problems until I replaced the headlights."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This statement provides a clue...when you say 'somehow fixed the
>>> problem...' I take it the lights just started working again without you
>>> doing much more th
> Was bob using LEDs in his marker lights or just headlamps?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 2:25 PM, Billiumboy <billiumboy at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> LED lights do need polarity.
>> 
>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Pat Spragge/RFAN <Pat.Spragge at rfan.com>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On second thought it really wouldn't matter since a lamp isn't
>>> unidirectional.
>>> The power comes from the fuse via the gray wire to the driver side and
> the
>>> 2nd gray wire goes to the passenger side. The black with white goes to
> the
>>> turn lever as does the black with green. The circuits are open until
> the
>>> lever is pulled left or right.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Pat Spragge/RFAN <Pat.Spragge at rfan.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bob, as long as the gray wire(s) 2 on driver side and 1 on passenger,
> I
>>> believe, goes to the same connection/location on both markers, driver
> and
>>> passenger, it should be ok. Preferably, the gray wire likely goes to
> the
>>> solder spot of the lamp and the black with white (driver side)goes to
> the
>>> lamp base. On the passenger side the wire is black with green?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 7, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Bob Pratt <ka1dza at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I dropped the fuse box down to look at the numbers n the relays for
>>> Jamie. I have that meter that is suppose to find shorts in the wiring.
> It
>>> points to the driver's front signal/marker.
>>>>> 
>>>>> According to the schematic, the gray wire goes from connection #58 on
>>> both front markers to the first fuse in the fuse box. There is no
> number on
>>> the light housing. How do I figure out where that connection is?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob Pratt
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Pat Spragge/RFAN <Pat.Spragge at rfan.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "I had trouble with the turn signals and 4 way flashers when I first
>>> got the vehicle as they were blowing fuses. I somehow fixed the problem
> and
>>> didn't have any other problems until I replaced the headlights."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This statement provides a clue...when you say 'somehow fixed the
>>> problem...' I take it the lights just started working again without you
>>> doing much more than wiggling wires? Did you take any corrective action
> to
>>> fix the problem? Might be stating the obvious, but sounds like you have
> a
>>> short somewhere that reappeared after working on the headlights. These
> can
>>> be difficult to trace, since you typically keep blowing fuses every
> time
>>> the short is triggered.  There is a short tester that is used in these
>>> situations to help in tracing the shorting circuit. It temporarily
> replaces
>>> the fuse that is blowing.
>>>>>> You might check with your nearest FLAPS and see if they have one.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SG Tool Aid 25100 Short Tester by Tool Aid  ~$40
>>>>>> http://www.toolaid.com/products/electrical/short-finders
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can search on YouTube to see how it works.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From:        Bob Pratt <ka1dza at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To:        Kevin Guarnotta <kevin at guarnottadesign.com>
>>>>>> Cc:        type2 at type2.com
>>>>>> Date:        11/04/2015 06:19 AM
>>>>>> Subject:        Re: [T2] Headlight problems
>>>>>> Sent by:        "type2" <type2-bounces at type2.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got the headlights at VinageCarLeds. I was so used to driving at
>>> night with the brighter type lights on the family car, that when I took
> the
>>> bus out at night I couldn't see very well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I had trouble with the turn signals and 4 way flashers when I first
>>> got the vehicle as they were blowing fuses. I somehow fixed the problem
> and
>>> didn't have any other problems until I replaced the headlights.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The first thing I did when I discovered the problem was reinstall
> the
>>> old headlights. It didn't fix the problem. Which makes me think I blew
>>> something somewhere.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm going to attempt to pull the fuse box down so I can take a look
> at
>>> the relays. Jamie wanted to know what the numbers on the relays were.
> Maybe
>>> I just need to change the relays to something that can handle the new
> style
>>> lights.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I remember 4 or 5 years back when people were changing to halogen
>>> lights there was a part that need to be changed or a new circuit that
>>> needed to be installed to handle the new lights, but I can't remember
> what
>>> it was and I can't find it in the archives.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob Pratt
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Nov 3, 2015, at 9:02 PM, Kevin Guarnotta
>>> <kevin at guarnottadesign.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think the LED headlights are just bringing to the front an issue
>>> that was probably there, you just didn't notice it. LED's are typically
>>> very sensitive to voltage variation, so they can issues that my remain
>>> hidden with regular lights - become readily apparent with LED's.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm not sure about your bus - but I'd check under the dash - there
>>> are typically a few under there as well - ie if there is a headlight
> relay,
>>> or flasher relay - they need to be well grounded to the chassis. Also
> the
>>> ground on your battery. Sometimes it is the simple things. (I had
> issues
>>> with my truck for a while, intermittent starting etc, turned out the
> ground
>>> strap was a little loose on the battery.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Then again - where did you find LED headlights? And why are you
>>> going with them?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Kevin Guarnotta
>>>>>>> Jamaica Plain, MA
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ’78 Westy
>>>>>>> '69 Singlecab
>>>>>>> '65 Ez-camper
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Bob Pratt [mailto:ka1dza at verizon.net]
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 5:43 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [T2] Headlight problems
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> OK. I've replaced of the ground connectors in the rear with new
> ones
>>> as they were loose and or broken. I've replace the ground connectors
> and
>>> housings on the front turn signals. I cleaned and reinstalled the
> ground
>>> strap from the frame to the transmission.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've considered buying a new harness, but they are expensive and
>>> they only go from the rear to the fuse box.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What I can't understand is that all these problems started when I
>>> replaced the headlights with LEDs.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob Pratt
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