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Healthy IDF carburetors on the VW engine

Bolting IDFs on a VW engine is more common now than ever. Many kits are bought and slapped on, and fellow hobbyists are so thrilled with the look and the apparent performance change that they get in and drive it and don't do anything else to them.

They're missing out. Often, there is a lot more to be had.

This article is a continuation of my article on how to clean and adjust a new set of IDFs out of the box, as well as my tuning guide. This article fits in where the other questions aren't answered. It is a work in progress.

Choosing your Webers

It's not hard to mismatch carbs to your application, as there are many combinations of bodies and vents available. Choosing the right carbs is almost a matter of taste, as there is the psychology of having monster carb bodies looming over your intakes. Many times people choose larger or smaller carbs than what really makes sense for their engine.

Solex published a book years ago that has some formulas for sizing carbs, and although it is solex, I have looked over the formulas and they are really pretty close for choosing the right carbs for your engine. The formulas are shown below.


Where:

d = the carburetor diameter (barrel size)
Vh = the capacity of a cylinder in cc's
n = max RPM/1000
K = size of the venturi in mm

Compelling information, and handy, yes, if you intend to stick with what you have for an engine. But a lot of us get the fever for more more more, after a short time and then they take those 40 IDFs that they bought for their 1600, and put them on their 2 liter engine with a big cam and heads, and suddenly they are trying to run a marathon breathing through a straw.

If you get pretty wild with the engine, the Solex formulas start to wane in effectiveness. Another method for sizing carbs on performance engines makes some sense too. You can somewhat size according to valve train. If you use the size of the intake valve, and apply some rules accordingly, you can come up with carb sizes that make sense.

Some rules of thumb:
For hot engines, vent size=(intake valve-2mm)
For moderate street engines, vent size=(intake valve size-4mm)
For mild engines, vent size=(intake valve size-6mm)

Now if you are into building wild drag engines, you're probably not reading this article, but those combos often have BIG carbs on them, with vent sizes equal to the intake valve size or more. The rules change.

For mild to moderate/hot street engines, you can pick a carb based on Solex's formulae, or intake valves. For instance:

Pick an engine of 2 liters. Single cylinder volume is 500cc. Suppose your choice of cam is going to put the powerband in the 3000-6000 range. Now do the math, and you will come up with a throttle plate of about 44.9. Pick the 44's then. Now your vent will ideally be about 36mm. NOW, using the intake valves, you could be reasonable about your combo. A good set of ported heads with 40x35 valves will scream to 6000. You've picked a good combo, and want to size your carbs. This seems like a moderate engine to me.. and I would pick a 36mm vent based on that.

Size your carbs to make sense. Be realistic about it. If you think you will want to use them on a different sized engine in the future, hedge your bets. In my opinion, going a little larger on the carb bodies than what is perfect for your engine is a good idea, if you know that the future holds upgrades.

Fortunately for us, there are lots of venturi sizes available. Here is a list of the venturi sizes I have seen available for different IDF bodies:

40 IDF - 28, 30, 32, 34
44 IDF - 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40
48 IDF - 36, 38, 40, 42

As you can see there is some overlap, which is helpful. A set of 40 IDFs will work well on many engines, up to about a 2 liter, depending on what you do with the valve train. In addition, a 44 IDF could be a good match for a 1776 with the right combo, especially if it wraps pretty high or you intend to upsize later.

Vent size choice should be reasonable for the body you choose, especially if you intend to to stick with what you have. Larger vents in the same carb body will get a little harder to tune, but using the tuning rules and bending them a little here and there you can come up with some good results no matter what you choose, within reason. Will it be perfect? Well, are any of these carbs perfect? Not really, but you can get a good fit if you do your homework. Carbs just aren't as tuneable as something like Fuel Injection, which is about as close to perfect as you're going to get on these engines, but they can be tuned to perform well and not suck the fuel like a junkie.

All that being said. I have bolted a set of 44 IDFs on my mild 1848cc bus engine with 35x32 valves and I have gotten fair to good results in air-fuel ratio, as well as decent driveability. It was done as a test for a friend of mine who came over to play with his problematic carbs. After we got them worked out, we tested them on that engine and they actually did pretty well. They were slightly soggy down low, but good in the midrange and no end in sight to the top end, at least as far as the carbs were concerned. The Webcam 119 grind and the heads were the obvious power limits.

Should you feel that you are not sure you are sizing your carbs correctly or feel your application does not follow these rules, you can always seek the advice of someone that does a lot of combos. Most people don't mind talking to you about it if you can answer their questions with more than ambiguous information.

 

About symptoms

Many times, symptoms can tell you what is wrong, but sometimes it can throw you, and get you looking in the wrong direction.  I can think of a lot of times that I was *sure* that certain parts of my engine were healthy, so I ignored them as possibilities. 

What's crucial to tuning your carbs?  Well, it may be obvious when you hear it, but make sure everything else besides your carbs is doing well.  Your ignition must be faithful, your valves adjusted correctly, and no leaks on the intake and exhaust.  With these things in place, you can tune your carbs a lot better.  If your valves are out of adjustment, or your ignition is missing, you can easily blame symptoms on carb tuning.

Now with that said, here are some common symptoms and causes (if it can be sure it is carb related):

Backfiring through the exhaust

First you need to know WHY this happens.  Exhaust backfires are from unburnt fuel that ignites in there, making it like a cannon.  There are different reasons why this can be the case, so you need to make sure the things NOT related to the carbs are not causing it.  Those causes are ignition misses and exhaust leaks.  Ignition misses cause the fuel charge to get forced out to the exhaust without actually igniting.  That added fuel in the exhaust WILL ignite in there, since it mixes with a lot of hot gas, goes through the exhaust transformations and eventually pops.  Exhaust leaks facilitate this by sucking raw air in between exhaust pulses, but it's not necessary in order for it to happen.  As soon as the raw fuel meets any raw air, it's going to ignite.

Now, related to the carbs, a rich condition will cause it.  If your ignition is working perfectly, and you have a rich condition and big exhaust, it will happen.  It can also happen with a smaller exhaust system, but it takes a little more richness to make it likely.  Something is too rich.  Even if your jets are right, when you decelerate you might just be getting a rich condition from your mixture screws.

Keep in mind that in a highly tuned VW, some popping on deceleration is just likely to happen.  When the throttle valve is in the idle position, fuel does not flow out of the main circuit, just the idle circuit.  The combined effect of the closed throttle and elevated engine rpm is to create a high vacuum in the intake manifold. This vacuum causes a high air flow rate through the small gap formed by the throttle plate and carburetor throat.  and the idle circuit will not deliver enough fuel to create a normal, combustible air/fuel ratio. The mixture becomes too lean to burn reliably in the combustion chamber. It gets sent into the exhaust system unburned and collects there.  When the fuel in the combustion chamber DOES fire, it's not fast, and the combustion still occurs as it is shoved out the pipe, where it sometimes ignites the raw mixture that has collected and the exhaust then pops or backfires.  Mine does it, and it's normal to a degree, as long as it's not shotgun type fire that sends everyone around you hitting the deck and yelling "GET LOW!  GET LOW!".  Those types of backfires are accumulations after the collector that are caused by rich conditions and ignition misses, as well as leaky exhausts.

Backfiring through the carburetors (popping or huffing)

This happens when fuel manages to ignite in the intake runner.  The most common causes for it are timing and lean conditions.  Lean conditions happen if jetting is not right or you have a vacuum leak.  You can check for a vacuum leak with starter fluid spray or carb cleaner.  If you spray it at a joint, and things change in any way, you have a leak.

Other causes include ignition problems, retarded timing, intake valve leaks from failure of valve, seat, or spring, or even a foreign object wedged into the seat.  An engine that has been sitting could have corrosion on the seat.  Tight valves will leak too.  Even a bad set of points or condenser can cause problems like this.  As mentioned above, make sure everything else is healthy.

 

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Last modified: 12/27/07