Return-Path: <ratwell_at_mac_dot_com> Mailing-List: contact type2-help_at_type2_dot_com; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list type2_at_type2_dot_com Delivered-To: type2_at_type2_dot_com Received: (qmail 88371 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2002 23:42:38 -0000 Received: (QMFILT: 1.1); 30 Dec 2002 23:42:38 -0000 Received: from a17-250-248-89.apple_dot_com (HELO smtpout.mac_dot_com) (17.250.248.89) by pon.type2_dot_com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2002 23:42:37 -0000 Received: from asmtp01.mac_dot_com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac_dot_com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id gBUNgabr003736 for <type2_at_type2_dot_com>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:42:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [12.235.192.167] ([12.235.192.167]) by asmtp01.mac_dot_com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H7YHV000.KPZ for <type2_at_type2_dot_com>; Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:42:36 -0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:42:31 -0800 From: Richard Atwell <ratwell_at_mac_dot_com> To: Type2 <type2_at_type2_dot_com> Message-ID: <BA3619E7.1B35%ratwell_at_mac_dot_com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Smog and EGR [passed] I just came back from the smog referee with my Canadian model Westy. This is a really long post with lots of detail for future smogees. First, thanks to Roland, Doyt and Charles for their advice. As it turned out my EGR valve was open at idle and it was a simple fix. * How the valve works On my 78, lever left means the valve is closed, lever right means valve closed and somewhere in the middle it's open. I should have guessed when I saw the spring in the linkage to the throttle: this would allow the throttle to continue to open while the valve closed. Somehow when I revved the engine high the valve managed to stick in the open position relative to my previous adjustment. Don't follow the Bentley exactly and use RPM and a guide to adjust the linkage to the EGR valve. Use a vacuum gauge before installation, during and after adjustment. You'll think it's closed but it may still be open and a low vacuum reading will indicate this. Moving the lever back and forth by hand a few times seemed to correct my problem. * Re-fitting the EGR system I had trouble refitting all the components. Mine had rusted away a long time back. The old muffler was pinched off at the egr port, the filter removed, and the pipe to the valve cut and folded over. The pipe, I found in the junkyard; the filter I obtained from Bus Depot and I found new gaskets from Bus Boys. Just as my aftermarket 75-78 eliminator muffler's poor fit and incorrectly welded exhaust hanger gave me trouble when I put it on, it reared it's ugly head again trying to line up the EGR port to the filter. You'll need a 2nd person to make the job easier. There are 3 types of gaskets needed : http://homepage.mac_dot_com/ratwell/.Pictures/MoreParts4/122-EGRGaskets.jpg Another thing to be aware of is that the EGR filter came with two headless screws that weren't secured to the flange on the filter like the original. You'll need to use Locktite or something. You can see two nuts I put on in this picture but later realized that they make the screws too short. http://homepage.mac_dot_com/ratwell/.Pictures/MoreParts4/121-EGRFilter.jpg Because I had a poor fit I had to use two gaskets where the filter meets the muffler to eliminate my exhaust leaks. A lot of smoke come out after starting up the engine but soon went away. My advice is to give yourself lots of time to get everything right. * Regulations It seems the local smog stations (gas stations, repair shops etc) can smog an out of state vehicle but if it's from Canada the VIN seems to fall outside the U.S. VIN range for that model year and the computer system knows. You need to call the Bureau of Automotive Repair's 800 number and they'll make an appointment at a Consumer Assistance and Referee center for you. I found out that it doesn't matter to California that you imported into another state anytime in the past and legally registered your vehicle there. As far as they are concerned you still need the conformity certificate from the vehicle manufacturer stating that it complies with federal safety and US EPA regulations. What I found interesting was that every other car at the test center during my time there was a kit car (mostly Cobras) thanks to recent changes in law: http://165.235.17.9/StdPage.asp?Body=/Geninfo/Laws_And_Regulations/Legislati on.htm This raised my interest and I asked the tech about changing the engine. He said don't even think about putting a South African Jetta motor in because they won't pass it for some reason he didn't give. I know this is a popular Vanagon upgrade so you may want to avoid buying one of those out of state. He said to go with the Subaru if you want to be able to pass smog. The process further complicates when the VW engine or exhaust are from mismatched model years. It seems you can put on new components but not older: this basically means you're screwed if you are a PO removed the FI and put carbs on. What they do at the referee center is the same as any other smog check shop: 1) consult a book for specifics on model year, do a visual check, 2) do a functional check then perform 3) an exhaust test but not on the dyno. They give you a certificate ($8.25) if you pass the test ($30) to take to the DMV and send you on your way after affixing a specially printed sticker to your engine compartment so you can smog again at a location of your choice in future. If you fail you can come back to the referee again for one free test. * The smog test I PASSED! I was at the referee for 2 hours and it was nerve wracking. Here's what happened: After the visual inspection, the tech checked the timing and told me that it was 9 degrees. He said the allowed range was +/- 3 degrees or you fail instantly. I thought his reading of 9 was odd because I set it to 7.5 BTDC but it seems that the scale isn't accurate. Sure enough when I got home I set it to 6 on the scale and it's probably closer to 7.5 now. I can feel the difference. I thought they would concentrate on the exhaust pipes etc. but the inspection was focused on the engine bay. They took off the access cover to see if all the components were there. They thought my engine was a little too clean and probably wondered if it was original. The test was really long, as it wasn't on their dyno which I was expecting. They run the vehicle tests at idle and approx. 2500RPM to measure %CO2, %O2, HC(PPM) and %CO. After this, they tested the gas cap with a vacuum tester to see if it sealed properly. I wasn't expecting this test. I thought they would only look for a fill restrictor on a CA model. When they came back they said I failed the %CO test and my heart sank. The spec was 1% +- 0.5 but I measured 3.5% and the limit was 2.5%. The test is very lenient compared to a new car and I find it interestig they don't do a NO(PPM) test which the EGR is designed to reduce. What happened next was one of the longest hours of my life. Maybe I like my bus too much. They said that the mixture was too rich and this was causing the %CO to become too high at idle. During the test they rev up the van, then let off the gas pedal and watched the %CO number climb on the monitor of the exhaust analyzer. I asked them how the mixture was adjust and they said that I needed the service manual to find out so I offered to bring it in. ADVICE: take you Bentley with you. They offered to adjust the mixture for me but gave no guarantees. They turned the screw about a complete turn until the exhaust analyzer gave a good reading then they repeated the test again and I passed it. It's still a little rich but I'll take care of that well before the next test. I'm sure glad the next time isn't for another 2 years. My advice to anyone doing this for the first time would be to try to get a pre-test done at a VW mechanic with an exhaust analyzer so you can be sure the mixture is not too rich. The pre-tests are often $10 with a coupon and there is no record put into the computer if you fail. * Archive Summary I read over about 113 messages in the archives searching on smog and EGR before I went to the referee. I thought I'd post them here as a summary with my experience: - EGR equipment is mandatory to pass the visual part of the smog test - The functional test requires undoing the linkage to test if the rpms drop when the valve is opened. Some shops either don't do this or believe it can't be tested. - The valve allows exhaust gas to enter the combustion chamber to reduce NOx pollutants. At idle the valve is closed and also at full throttle. If the valve is open by incorrect adjustment at idle then a large amount of un-metered air will "leak" and the vacuum will lower considerably. - This air leak at partial throttle doesn't seem to be a problem, it has the effect of causing the bus to run leaner but because it's exhaust gas the overall result are lower combustion temperature. Overall this is supposedly good for the engine if the smog parts last but the tech thought it was a useless add on even though it has to be there legally. - There is a noticeable lag when you accelerate from stop when the EGR system is attached compared to not having the system attached. - Because the valve is closed at idle any adjustments to the air/fuel mixture should have no effect when the EGR system is attached. If it does, then the valve isn't properly adjusted at idle and blocking the EGR valve later will affect the mixture. - The filters and tubing quickly rust out and the material in the filter to trap exhaust particles breaks down quickly. The pipe from the filter and the air plenum gets clogged over time with soot because of the inefficiency of the filter design. They are a PITA to clean. - The pipe from the filter to the valve gets hot from the exhaust gas. If it's cold nothing is coming through from further down the line. It will get warm even if the valve is closed. A tech could determine the equipment is not working in the crudest sense by seeing if the tube is cold to the touch. - For my bus anyway, the filters are still available (021131617F) for $120 but you'll have to find the pipe at the junkyard from a compatible year. The EGR valve itself is NLA but can be rebuilt or bought used/rebuilt from <http://www.smogparts_dot_com/> or so I hear. Parts are becoming less available as time goes by so get them before you bring your bus here to CA. -- Richard 1978 Westfalia CDN Cupertino, CA